wideband 02 to emange or profec?

[BOOSTED_CRX]

Does anyone really know if you can put an widebabd 02 air fuel ratio sensor to the emanage or profec e-01 for live air/fuel ratio readings. If so let me know thats my next step.

[Dzaster]

I'll let you know in a day or two. :D

However, it has been done. The way Greddy suggests is through the boost port where you plug the MAP in.

However, I have mine wired to go into the VTEC solenoid wire on teh EMB. I have the emanage all wired up, but my LC1 WBO2 needs to be mounted and calibrated, but that's after I get the turbo mounted--which I can finally start today.

[BOOSTED_CRX]

yea cause on my profec i see an option for the A/F but i wanted to knjow what i need to buy from GReddy or attack myself ya know ha.

[Dzaster]

So it is possible to have your WBO2 singla input into the emanage. I used the VTEC solenoid wire on the emanage.

I used the EmangeTools 3rd party software to datalog. I don't know if it was a case of bad grounds--both wideband and emanage grounded to ECU ground--but I had a substantially different output in the datalogged file than what I was actaully witnessing on the WBO2 gauge.

This is the output file from the EmanageTools software:
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However, the problem with that is when I recorded that, I was reading 9.8 to like 10.2 AFR on the gauge. One of them seems to be off and since I paid for my Innovate WBO2 and not this open source piece of software, I'm counting on my WBO2 gauge being the more accurate of the two.:D

It may be possible to get better results, but at least its to say that the emanage can accept a WBO2 input. I have since disconnected the WBO2 from the EMB. I don't want to confuse myself anymore than I already am.:p

[alanj]

few questions about WB02...

Can a WB02 sensor be wired to a gauge and EMB at the same time?

why should i have a WB02 wired to my EMB? for more accurate A/F reading and easier tuning? does it has any other use?

[Dzaster]

There is a member here, Matt87, with an EMU and AEM UEGO WBO2 who has only one WBO2 signal wire split--one to gauge and the other to EMU. Its pretty accurate for him.

You do it so that you can consolidate all the datalogged data to one file/datalogger. Also, for me, I have the Innovate LC-1 and it only logs AFR's vs Time(seconds). Pretty useless. But the innovate does have two output signals and the fact that the sensor can and should be recalibrate makes it a pretty decent WBO2 for the cash.

[alanj]

anyone here using PLX gauge/controller with bosch wbo2? ........any reviews?

or which wbo2 kit do you guys recommend me if im in a low budget? and what dose "calibrating the wbo2 sensor" means?

[Dzaster]

Calibrating is essential to keep put the WBO2 controller "in-tune" with the sensor. As sensor ages reading and relaying characteristics can change. The Innovate sensors are "Free-air calibrated" so it generally accurate througout the life of the sensor. AEM uses a resistor and the PLX my friend has cannot be calibrated(or doesn't require it). Funny thing is I know two guys right now, one with AEM and the other with PLX and both have failed. The AEM failed in like a month--perhaps just a freak incident.

Still bang for my buck, I went with Innovate LC-1 for $190 shipped new. I recommend it!

[alanj]

Calibrating is essential to keep put the WBO2 controller "in-tune" with the sensor. As sensor ages reading and relaying characteristics can change. The Innovate sensors are "Free-air calibrated" so it generally accurate througout the life of the sensor. AEM uses a resistor and the PLX my friend has cannot be calibrated(or doesn't require it). Funny thing is I know two guys right now, one with AEM and the other with PLX and both have failed. The AEM failed in like a month--perhaps just a freak incident.

Still bang for my buck, I went with Innovate LC-1 for $190 shipped new. I recommend it!

what is it that fails? the sensor or the controller?

[Dzaster]

Not sure with the PLX. Now that I think about both those guys are members here as well. Tersplat has the PLX and he said it steady displays 14:1 AFR and there is no calibrating with that kit. The other is Matt87 and he has the AEM UEGO and his display, the middle digit, works intermittently. The AEM also does not have free-air calibration.

[tersplat]

I've got the plx m-300 and I'll know on wednesday if it works right or not when i go get it tuned. I'm also going to try to run it though the emanage blue and my profec e-01 so I'll let you know what I find. Let me know if you find anything. before the motor popped It was reading 14.6-15.0 and under full throttle it went down to 14.2 and stayed there. I think it was working and thats why i popped 3 pistons.

[alanj]

wow too bad to hear, let us know about the plx when u get it to work...


how did it happen? u were always running so lean? or u were trying to tune it yourself?

[Dzaster]

He just bought the car and thought the wideband was wrong. So where's teh pics of those pistons?:p Seroiusly. Still, I rather have the ability to recalibrate the sensor to ensure its reading/translating accurately. But that's just me.

[alanj]

He just bought the car and thought the wideband was wrong. So where's teh pics of those pistons?:p Seroiusly. Still, I rather have the ability to recalibrate the sensor to ensure its reading/translating accurately. But that's just me.

nice point, i think im going with AEM... how do i calibrate it?

[Dzaster]

AEM uses a resistor.
^^^^ That was in a prior response to you.;) Almost seems like to calibrate it that way you'd have to be on a dyno having your WBO2 adjusted/compared to the tuners WB02 and adjust the sensor from there.

Innovate is automatic--even though it has to be done quarterly. No prob though. Quicker than changing oil.

[tersplat]

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[alanj]

^^^^ That was in a prior response to you.;) Almost seems like to calibrate it that way you'd have to be on a dyno having your WBO2 adjusted/compared to the tuners WB02 and adjust the sensor from there.

Innovate is automatic--even though it has to be done quarterly. No prob though. Quicker than changing oil.

oh right but i could have the innovate, and even if i dont have to calibrate it.. i can compare it with the tuners wb02 just to be sure its still working.

[Dzaster]

Wooooooweeeeee! Dem boys be beat up. You are hard on your motor man. :D

So back together. When you taking it to dyno? If not for a while I would take teh actuator arm off the wastegate to keep from boosting.

[tersplat]

need another piston but it did run for like 2 seconds.

[Accord2nrz]

Sounds like the 14 is what did it depending on how hard it was pushing. Some motors can tolerate more abuse than others. If you desire to find out google the thermal images of a standard motor to find its mechanical weak points.

I use the PLX devices wideband also. its sensitive as hell but i love it. very accurate.

[mhamrick]

I know I am late to reply on this topic but just about all Wideband setups use the same Bosch Sensor.It is not specific to the kit. The wideband sensor was actually installed on vehicles first and aftermarket tuners discovered their true potential and started using them. Just about ALL the kits today use the same Bosch 4.2 sensor. Surprisingly the only that does not is Glow Shift and they use the newest Bosch Sensor out which is self heated and is dubbed the 4.9. It has been about 2 months since I researched this but I still think this is accurate.

Personally I have a LC-1. I paid 187.95 for the entire kit with gauge shipped. In all honesty they are all pretty much the same except their software and the Innovative is #1 from actual users testimony. However with all of them using the same 4.2 sensor I do not see any difference in accuracy. I guess it boils down to personal preference of gauge style. I admit the PLX has some tight @$$ gauge setups.


Also if you burn a sensor out and need it replaced I would buy one off Amazon for a 90's VW. The replacements from Innovative are like $90-100 and you can get them on Amazon for less then $50. I even seen them less then $40 once.

[Dzaster]

Also if you burn a sensor out and need it replaced I would buy one off Amazon for a 90's VW. The replacements from Innovative are like $90-100 and you can get them on Amazon for less then $50. I even seen them less then $40 once.
Good to know.

[mhamrick]

Just make sure that you get the correct one. I can't remember 100% right now which it is but there are several that will work for you. I know the 98 Passat is one of them. I will look and find out and then post it up.