Gerneral Questions

[Dzaster]

I'm not entirely sure what the content of this sub-forum should pertain to, but a "Blue Newbie" I am.:D

I've been doing a bit of research and cross referencing--which is how I found this site. I have some questions that seem to be speculated on, but not much concrete.

Some details on my setup. I have a 5efe motor from a 1999 JDM Corolla in my 1993 Tercel. I have all the stuff for a GT25 turbo turbo project for this motor--recently acquiring a Innovate LC-1 WBO2 and EGT kit. Turbo not yet installed. I also have the eManage Blue(eB) with injector/ignition harnesses, Support Tool, Greddy MAP--all wires labeled and ready for installation and software installed (v1.49).

A few questions:

1. What is the proper/popular/only(?) way to wire in and log WBO2 through the eManage?
- I currently have the Yellow Wire(VTEC Solenoid Sensor) from the eB main harness labeled to receive analog input from the WBO2. It seems this guy here has gotten it to work via 3rd party software called Emanage Tools.
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=187913
- I've also seen it said to wire up the WBO2 through the Grey Wire(TPS) on the main harness.

2. Is there a way to auto tune via the eB through WBO2 readings?
-It seems to be suggested as in this thread. http://www.civicforums.com/forums/2-other-honda-civic-parts-products/292110-emanage-blue-1-49-can-autotune.html.

3. If auto-tune feature is capable with Blue, has anyone done the Gold firmware update/hack and still been able to use the auto-tune?

4. Where the heck are the Gold reflashing files? I have yet to find a working link to them.

Thanks

[Accord2nrz]

1. What is the proper/popular/only(?) way to wire in and log WBO2 through the eManage?
- I currently have the Yellow Wire(VTEC Solenoid Sensor) from the eB main harness labeled to receive analog input from the WBO2. It seems this guy here has gotten it to work via 3rd party software called Emanage Tools.
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=187913 (http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=187913)
- I've also seen it said to wire up the WBO2 through the Grey Wire(TPS) on the main harness.

The vtec solend method will work however if you ever decide to go with the o2 sensor adapter then you will have to unhook that setup. stay away from using the tps wire as in some cases it may easier for you to tune based on throttle percentage which case the grey wire is needed. Lastly you can log the o2 sensor analog input through the optional port but you stated that you have the pressure sensor so thats null. The vtec solenoid option sounds like the best method for you. What is this 3rd party software you refer to?


2. Is there a way to auto tune via the eB through WBO2 readings?
-It seems to be suggested as in this thread. http://www.civicforums.com/forums/2-...-autotune.html (http://www.civicforums.com/forums/2-other-honda-civic-parts-products/292110-emanage-blue-1-49-can-autotune.html). And this is a slightly different process perhaps this is someone from that is a member of this site also. I've not done much searching or interacting on the Yahoo User Group so IDK.http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/...e/message/9867 (http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/...e/message/9867)

No, as far as I know only the EMUltimate can auto tune. I believe it has been hacked with the gold reflash to log but I don't know to what degree of success in the end.

I am currently looking for the gold reflash files

[Dzaster]

Okay, I guess I'll leave the wiring as is with the WBO2 tied into the VTEC deal.

What is an "O2 sensor adapter"? The "clamp"?

Ok, I'm over the autotune thing then. I will focus on just DIYtuning.:D

Files would be awesome.

Thanks for the answer to those.

[Accord2nrz]

Trust/Greddy has an o2 sensor adapter for vehicles like mine where the owner chooses to run obd 2 but is having a hard time fighting it with the tune. The o2 adapter is like a relay but plugs into the vtec wiring and through the emanage blue you can set an rpm where the o2 signal gets "cut" and the vehicle goes into open loop. Greddy has told me it can't be done on the blue but i've already tried it. It works, Sometimes you get a CEL but it goes off as soon as the vehicle goes back into closed loop.

=)

The adapter is universal according to GPP (greddy performance products)

[Dzaster]

Ok. My car is OBD-1 so I shouldn't need that adapter.

Oh and that 3rd party software is the Emanage Tools software. Looks like this. I would think you guys who have been playing with this stuff probably have come across it and have your opinions about it. If you do have opnions I'd like to hear it. I've just been gathering all the little bits of info I could and bookmarking and stuff just to make sure I don't miss a beat with functionality if its something I could use.

http://immo.rizing.nl/images/greddy/tool2.jpg

[Accord2nrz]

I've never really played around with it too much but I know of some that have, I will send them a message and see if they can grace us with some of the ins and outs.

[Dzaster]

Accord, you mentioned about an archive for files in another thread, would we want to put this piece of software there also? I believe its open source.

And for the Gold conversion, what kind of feedback can anyone give about it at I'd do it but if not much to benefit then I'd rather not waste the energy. Reviews?

[Accord2nrz]

as far as the gold goes I really cant say anything about it.

And the for the archives. some of these programs are not open source but I believe in all of us saving eachother money when possible.

[Dzaster]

Oh, I just mentioned open source just in case. I'm all for hepling anyone out. I believe I have the 1.49 software on CD if that is of any use--at least that is what installed to my computer.

Well, maybe I'll research the Gold a little more and report back.

[mozso]

Hi Guys,

First of all thanks for resurrecting the old community.

I have a Toyota Corolla 2006 with F/I. My question is what will happen when I want to use larger injectors than 150% with Blue?

Originally my engine had 180cc, now I have 260cc, but the injector duty cycle reaches 100% according to Emanage around 5000RPM, full throttle (redline 6700RPM).

What will happen when I install 310cc injectors?

Thanks

[Accord2nrz]

Be sure to post an intro and post your own questions to a new thread k? Once you surpass 150% the blue wont really be able to correct for it, What you can do is go ahead and leave the blue set for the 280's and then manually trim everything down till you within the 12:1 afr range. I had to do something similiar to mine to overcome obd2

[Dzaster]

Hey Accord, maybe we can split this thread at his post of an additional question and title it "Tuning Upgraded Injectors" or something. I only suggest this because I also would like to expound on the whole fuel adjustment thing when swapping in larger injectors.

MY stock injectors are 175cc or 180cc and when I upgrade it'll be to 440cc's.

Accord, from what you've suggested about "manually trimming", it sounds like the Blue has an ability to automatically trim based on an "difference an injector" input. Is that so? Care to explain. It's probably newb, but seems like the appropriate section for such Q's.:D

[zamiex]

Q: does the emb really can autotune using the v1.49 firmware?
can it be done at my 4g93 engine?

>>http://www.civicforums.com/forums/2-other-honda-civic-parts-products/292110-emanage-blue-1-49-can-autotune.html

[Accord2nrz]

I checked out the link you posted and it is hardly an auto-tune by my gathering.

Auto-Tune at least on the ultimate is where the system automatically fine tunes your setup to the ideal range. From what that link is showing they are only logging the AFR information to the emb in voltage form you still have to convert the voltage to rich,lean,stoich numbers of 10:1 to 20:1.

This method of logging the afr to emb is helpful in that you dont have to sit and watch what your gauge is doing while your trying to adjust afr.

Only the ultimate can auto tune, the method you saw was to log the afr.

the pressure port on the emb blue can actually be used for multiple things. You can even take a GM 3 or 4 BAR map sensor and make a harness out of an old computer CD player harness and boom you'ved saved money on not having to buy a greddy pressure sensor.

[zamiex]

owh.. ok, so by means its only for data logging..
i already modified my pressure sensor to work by my mech,(not sure how he did it).. but it works..

im reaaally newbies in tunning cars.. can u help me explain on how data logging is really helpfull in tunning?

ive already went for dyno tuning and street tuning, but still dun have a clue how they tune it.

[Accord2nrz]

When your data logging what is going on is your saving the information to your computer so you can view it later and adjust your tune. Hence the term "Data","logging" because your logging the information. Without that function you would have to have someone else watch your information as you drive and adjust your tune as such...that is unsafe and highly improbable to pull off safely.

[zamiex]

owh..ok

in the v1.49 support tool, what is acceleration map for?
what value can be put there? do i need to monitor the AFR using wideband to adjust at this map?

[Dzaster]

BTW, I've uploaded the Blue to Gold files and the "How-to" PDF, but I've not done it so exercise caution. I plan to do try it sometime, just not until I remount my Blue main unit.

[Giff]

BTW, I've uploaded the Blue to Gold files and the "How-to" PDF, but I've not done it so exercise caution. I plan to do try it sometime, just not until I remount my Blue main unit.

Theres actually no benefit in doing the Gold upgrade since the V1.49 update came along and gave the EMB all the extra features that the Gold offered.

[Dzaster]

Theres actually no benefit in doing the Gold upgrade since the V1.49 update came along and gave the EMB all the extra features that the Gold offered.
Kinda what I thought as I did all the file relacement and everyhing looked to be the same. So doing the hardware modification does nothing then?

[shootz]

Gold versions available here:

How To:
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=52865

Files located on this forum:
http://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t2241/

[Accord2nrz]

we have a downloads section you can upload the files to if you already have them. This way EMB users don't have to go running all over the net to find what they need.

[shootz]

Done... the files are up

[Dzaster]

I was gonna post yesterday that I had them uploaded to our downloads section already for some time now.